Im completely in agreement. I have always tried to stay tactically up to date with countermeasures. Years ago i stitched a space/emergency blanket into my ghilles suit. Ive tried to procure combat pants and shirts that are nir compliant but haven’t found any to sell to me in small quantity. Drones have definitely changed the battlefield so im constantly trying to stay frosty and Matt i appreciate your posts your far ahead of everyone thx
HI Matt. As a career Calvary Officer, I have viewed the use of drones in SMO through that lens. With the advent of drone warfare there is literally a “no where to run, no where to hide” scenario for ground forces. In due time we will see the development/outcome for effective counter measures to drones. Advancements in warfare eventually always end up with a counter measure. In the mean time, its sucks though.
Men are being generally pushed out of air combat at all levels, maybe something like that will also happen on the ground, with robots (on feet, legs, wheels and treads) fighting other robots?
I’m afraid you have defiled a beautiful lake in the great State of NM with minion killers-Soros or Slick Willy? Yes even Gov. Bill facilitated the NM extortion ranch but those details should be left for the courtroom attached to the short hallway leading to the scaffolding with a long rope-better to appreciate the ride.
This article hits us upside the head with the futility of billion dollar weapons systems. The Germans learned their Rhinoceros was a better buy than the Tiger. The T34 might not go into high gear but it won the eastern front. The Abrams tank is superlative but, will it find targets?
Our military, industrial and technological complex is supported by expensive, amazing and even obsolete weapons programs and importantly fear.
Fear fueled the Cold War. The intelligence agencies knew the weapons estimates were wrong and intentionally inflated those estimates. The intelligence agencies knew the USSR would implode of its own version of communism circa 1995.
We should be afraid of the remote control (RC) drone. Terrorism is “war on the cheap”. drones are the perfect cheap weapon. As soon as these RC drones are paired with an AI-soon, very soon; we will have opened a door we may not close.
I want a a modern 10 gauge version of the British Navy Nock gun for my low level anti-drone gun.
Some perv bastard was flying one outside my bedroom window, I ran for a weapon as it flew off. Rat shot out of my 870 would have been great.
My microwave oven rotor aimed at it would only have been good for RF interference and taken the damn thing off line but, maybe the crash would have damaged it.
Maybe an arena T-Shirt launcher (used to shoot promo T-Shirts into the crowd) could be re-purposed to shoot nets?
So "Lee's bad old man," I understand your feeling that the boys won't be effective when drones are involved. Some variation of "hillbilly steel" will be invented. One may recall Dr. Gatling thought by inventing his early machine-gun it would make the prospect of war unthinkable. Then Hiram Maxim said "Hold my beer."
Similarly, the Brits loaded their drawers when the IRA made SAMs from backyard motion detectors and model rocket engines plus a microchip brain rendering their helos obsolete in N. Ireland. I recall many places employed chain link fencing to intercept various RPG launched rockets. That might help in some circumstances? Maybe someone will come up with a rotating cannon with 20mm shells throwing a half pound of 000 Buck at some astronomical rounds per minute. What a world!
I'm just a historian, so thanks for the Lee quote. I get that "counter measures" will be invented; It's just that at this moment in time, Seems like We are in "No Mans Land" between the ideological trenches as far as Domestic Civilian Americans.
The Feral Polezi seem divided, or evidently complicit/cowed under the Bolshevik democRats. The CBP/ICE are woefully undermanned for the task of returning millions of Illegals, and If the Mex Cartels and US Mil go at it then the Mex War 2.0 (with drones) might be similar to Afghanistan? and I really haven't fully grasped the role of the ChiCom PLA Mil Aged Illegals.
Do We have the guts to really Grasp the fact, and then Remedy the Coup of 2020, and Treasonous Deep Statist "Americans"?
Could 2025 =1775 be a reality ? I just ponder the varibles and ask questions. I only wish I was a younger man again, ..... maybe :-)
I see it as a whole new thing. There must be a new revolution in military affairs. This rapidly evolving, ever more sophisticated armed drone tech checks national militaries in a way unimaginable previously. An individual with a mastery of drone engineering could now be a peer level threat. Any flea can kill any elephant in this new paradigm.
Well done as always Matt. My latest "sci-fi" book has drones in it. The D. E. Jones Trilogy of Colossus, (written in 1966-67) has what it calls flying crabs to attack Colossus the Supercomputer, which runs the whole world at that point. I'm sure Mr. Jones (British Writer) had something very much in mind as our drone revolution. What else would look like a flying crab.
I have other books planned that are not Sci-fi. You have prompted me to include them in the subject matter! Thank you sir!
BTW, I like M1s. Never needed any other kind at my speed and age. I do so like the M2APs.
Yours in liberty,
Vince
Whenever I go to a range, I always attract somebody to stand behind me, to watch and hear the "ping".
It is that. I love to read the WW2 stories about the M2AP going through 12" trees and taking out the Hun. Sometimes two at a time. That covers 4 legs and 2. I have been thinking about your position for a few years. I often thought the RC people should also look into starting races. They have the perfect reason for using such air space.
Pretty good with shotguns. We have a whole cadre of Keltec weapons and mini rounds (Turkey, .00, slug). A guy asked me on your X thread if those minis have a tendency to swell. I was like oh shit idk. Only fired them once because they’re too hard to come by. They are stored in climate control however. In fact, all of my ammo is for that very reason. The weather in Florida is just too brutal as you know Matt.
Mostly we practice with std 2 3/4 with same load. We use my brother’s KSG25 (big boy) to plink clay birds pretty effectively. He has a big ass sight mark on it. Lol it’s like a big screen TV. It’s seen some abuse out there. The KSG25 will hold at least 40mini rounds or 25 std rounds. The regular KSG will hold about 22 minis and 16 std rounds I think.
Let us put the drone issue aside for a moment. It is my thought that if/when hostilities break out most of the times you are involved in trading gun fire will be close quarter situations. Perhaps this is going to cause some disagreement but I believe these types of shotguns will be the most effective within 100yrds. Thats just an egghead analysis tho from someone who has never been in a gunfight. A couple street fights where they made their appearance but those times did NOT count.
So what I am really saying I guess is “Go Out and Buy a New Gun.” 😂😂 For the record I don’t particularly trust any shotgun that is a semi auto or has a typical rifle type mag. My Keltec risers went bad (inside the magazine tubes). I sent it in and they upgraded me to more durable risers. I learned to rack the gun where gravity helps force the rounds into feeder mechanism. The barrel should be inclined about 45 degrees. I would not try and chamber it holding the gun level or with barrel facing down.
Absolutely. I have long believed that American patriots have been too focused on firearms and the wrong firearms at that. Drones and IEDs are the future. Swarms of small drones can do enormous damage as we have seen in Ukraine. We tend to build high end drones with greater capability but far fewer numbers. And drones like the Predator are just as susceptible to the thermite bombs as any manned aircraft and the drones that carry them don't need bases. That Russian workshop had basic cheap quadracopters with a bit more payload. I think you could build even cheaper ones with a single 22lr on board.
As to the firearms, AR15s are great tools for protecting the homestead or neighborhood in a collapse of order but any kind of standup fight with an organized military force is going to be a massacre and even worse with the drones from your novels. The battlefield belongs to the long-range shooters and even guys with deer rifles. I question even that, given surveillance systems. Just a reminder that Begin and Collins ran the British Empire out of their countries with pistols and IEDs and stealth. Modern equivalents are going to have to defeat surveillance.
How about small electro-magnetic pulse bombs, or even grenades fired by grenade launchers? I doubt that even the wire guided version could stand up to having their electronics fried. That would be countered with shielding, but that might not be easy; how do you cover the whole thing? I don't know much about electro-magnetic pulse weapons, but I believe they exist, and hopefully the possibility for anti-drone use is being studied already.
I saw an article the other day that claimed the Secret Service shot down a drone following Trump's motorcade last fall. It was said to be some kind of electronic Flash Gordon gizmo.
This was a sobering and informative read, thank you for publishing it!
I wonder how much of a role "Drone Aces" will play in full AI world. Palantir and a German company whose name escapes me began deploying autonomous drones that didn't require a sat connection after the Ukranians started jamming RF-based controls. No data uplink required.
At the rate the technology is proceeding I'm not sure how long these will be human operated anymore.
2017: “The Ukrainian SBU – the equivalent of the FBI – now believe that the destruction of a giant arms depot at Balakliya in eastern Ukraine in March was carried out by a small drone. The spectacular explosion and fire destroyed some seventy thousand tons of munitions with damage estimated at a billion dollars, though only one person was killed. This destruction is a graphic illustration of the threat posed by small drones, as many other high-value targets may be equally vulnerable.
Balakliya was said to be the largest ammunition dump in the world.”
Im completely in agreement. I have always tried to stay tactically up to date with countermeasures. Years ago i stitched a space/emergency blanket into my ghilles suit. Ive tried to procure combat pants and shirts that are nir compliant but haven’t found any to sell to me in small quantity. Drones have definitely changed the battlefield so im constantly trying to stay frosty and Matt i appreciate your posts your far ahead of everyone thx
Thanks, I appreciate that!!
Excellent breakdown, thank you. An incredible transformation of warfare is happening right before our eyes.
Absolutely!
HI Matt. As a career Calvary Officer, I have viewed the use of drones in SMO through that lens. With the advent of drone warfare there is literally a “no where to run, no where to hide” scenario for ground forces. In due time we will see the development/outcome for effective counter measures to drones. Advancements in warfare eventually always end up with a counter measure. In the mean time, its sucks though.
Saber 7
Men are being generally pushed out of air combat at all levels, maybe something like that will also happen on the ground, with robots (on feet, legs, wheels and treads) fighting other robots?
They are already messing with robots over there. Well, Russia is anyhow.
I’m afraid you have defiled a beautiful lake in the great State of NM with minion killers-Soros or Slick Willy? Yes even Gov. Bill facilitated the NM extortion ranch but those details should be left for the courtroom attached to the short hallway leading to the scaffolding with a long rope-better to appreciate the ride.
This article hits us upside the head with the futility of billion dollar weapons systems. The Germans learned their Rhinoceros was a better buy than the Tiger. The T34 might not go into high gear but it won the eastern front. The Abrams tank is superlative but, will it find targets?
Our military, industrial and technological complex is supported by expensive, amazing and even obsolete weapons programs and importantly fear.
Fear fueled the Cold War. The intelligence agencies knew the weapons estimates were wrong and intentionally inflated those estimates. The intelligence agencies knew the USSR would implode of its own version of communism circa 1995.
We should be afraid of the remote control (RC) drone. Terrorism is “war on the cheap”. drones are the perfect cheap weapon. As soon as these RC drones are paired with an AI-soon, very soon; we will have opened a door we may not close.
Be afraid, very afraid.
I agree. In some areas they are putting anti-drone nets up along KM and KM of roads to protect vehicles!
I want a a modern 10 gauge version of the British Navy Nock gun for my low level anti-drone gun.
Some perv bastard was flying one outside my bedroom window, I ran for a weapon as it flew off. Rat shot out of my 870 would have been great.
My microwave oven rotor aimed at it would only have been good for RF interference and taken the damn thing off line but, maybe the crash would have damaged it.
Maybe an arena T-Shirt launcher (used to shoot promo T-Shirts into the crowd) could be re-purposed to shoot nets?
"We Just Had No Idea"...... USSA Intel / Military ; Even though It Was broadly Discussed Beforehand. Pearl Harbor to 9/11 History Repeats & Rhymes.
and those 2nd Amend Militias, even If they Existed, are irrelevant to the Drone Masters, whomever they be.
"Brave New World War 3" is reminescient of WW 1 Trench Warfare, but with these drones........
So "Lee's bad old man," I understand your feeling that the boys won't be effective when drones are involved. Some variation of "hillbilly steel" will be invented. One may recall Dr. Gatling thought by inventing his early machine-gun it would make the prospect of war unthinkable. Then Hiram Maxim said "Hold my beer."
Similarly, the Brits loaded their drawers when the IRA made SAMs from backyard motion detectors and model rocket engines plus a microchip brain rendering their helos obsolete in N. Ireland. I recall many places employed chain link fencing to intercept various RPG launched rockets. That might help in some circumstances? Maybe someone will come up with a rotating cannon with 20mm shells throwing a half pound of 000 Buck at some astronomical rounds per minute. What a world!
I'm just a historian, so thanks for the Lee quote. I get that "counter measures" will be invented; It's just that at this moment in time, Seems like We are in "No Mans Land" between the ideological trenches as far as Domestic Civilian Americans.
The Feral Polezi seem divided, or evidently complicit/cowed under the Bolshevik democRats. The CBP/ICE are woefully undermanned for the task of returning millions of Illegals, and If the Mex Cartels and US Mil go at it then the Mex War 2.0 (with drones) might be similar to Afghanistan? and I really haven't fully grasped the role of the ChiCom PLA Mil Aged Illegals.
Do We have the guts to really Grasp the fact, and then Remedy the Coup of 2020, and Treasonous Deep Statist "Americans"?
Could 2025 =1775 be a reality ? I just ponder the varibles and ask questions. I only wish I was a younger man again, ..... maybe :-)
I hear ya, GenEarly. I ponder the same things.
I see it as a whole new thing. There must be a new revolution in military affairs. This rapidly evolving, ever more sophisticated armed drone tech checks national militaries in a way unimaginable previously. An individual with a mastery of drone engineering could now be a peer level threat. Any flea can kill any elephant in this new paradigm.
Well done as always Matt. My latest "sci-fi" book has drones in it. The D. E. Jones Trilogy of Colossus, (written in 1966-67) has what it calls flying crabs to attack Colossus the Supercomputer, which runs the whole world at that point. I'm sure Mr. Jones (British Writer) had something very much in mind as our drone revolution. What else would look like a flying crab.
I have other books planned that are not Sci-fi. You have prompted me to include them in the subject matter! Thank you sir!
BTW, I like M1s. Never needed any other kind at my speed and age. I do so like the M2APs.
Yours in liberty,
Vince
Whenever I go to a range, I always attract somebody to stand behind me, to watch and hear the "ping".
30-06 pretty much covers anything you want to shoot in North America, 4 legs or 2.
It is that. I love to read the WW2 stories about the M2AP going through 12" trees and taking out the Hun. Sometimes two at a time. That covers 4 legs and 2. I have been thinking about your position for a few years. I often thought the RC people should also look into starting races. They have the perfect reason for using such air space.
Pretty good with shotguns. We have a whole cadre of Keltec weapons and mini rounds (Turkey, .00, slug). A guy asked me on your X thread if those minis have a tendency to swell. I was like oh shit idk. Only fired them once because they’re too hard to come by. They are stored in climate control however. In fact, all of my ammo is for that very reason. The weather in Florida is just too brutal as you know Matt.
Mostly we practice with std 2 3/4 with same load. We use my brother’s KSG25 (big boy) to plink clay birds pretty effectively. He has a big ass sight mark on it. Lol it’s like a big screen TV. It’s seen some abuse out there. The KSG25 will hold at least 40mini rounds or 25 std rounds. The regular KSG will hold about 22 minis and 16 std rounds I think.
Let us put the drone issue aside for a moment. It is my thought that if/when hostilities break out most of the times you are involved in trading gun fire will be close quarter situations. Perhaps this is going to cause some disagreement but I believe these types of shotguns will be the most effective within 100yrds. Thats just an egghead analysis tho from someone who has never been in a gunfight. A couple street fights where they made their appearance but those times did NOT count.
So what I am really saying I guess is “Go Out and Buy a New Gun.” 😂😂 For the record I don’t particularly trust any shotgun that is a semi auto or has a typical rifle type mag. My Keltec risers went bad (inside the magazine tubes). I sent it in and they upgraded me to more durable risers. I learned to rack the gun where gravity helps force the rounds into feeder mechanism. The barrel should be inclined about 45 degrees. I would not try and chamber it holding the gun level or with barrel facing down.
Absolutely. I have long believed that American patriots have been too focused on firearms and the wrong firearms at that. Drones and IEDs are the future. Swarms of small drones can do enormous damage as we have seen in Ukraine. We tend to build high end drones with greater capability but far fewer numbers. And drones like the Predator are just as susceptible to the thermite bombs as any manned aircraft and the drones that carry them don't need bases. That Russian workshop had basic cheap quadracopters with a bit more payload. I think you could build even cheaper ones with a single 22lr on board.
As to the firearms, AR15s are great tools for protecting the homestead or neighborhood in a collapse of order but any kind of standup fight with an organized military force is going to be a massacre and even worse with the drones from your novels. The battlefield belongs to the long-range shooters and even guys with deer rifles. I question even that, given surveillance systems. Just a reminder that Begin and Collins ran the British Empire out of their countries with pistols and IEDs and stealth. Modern equivalents are going to have to defeat surveillance.
Got a small drone for Christmas...need to play with it..
Read "Poor Man's Air Force" by Don Shift, if you haven't already. Good primer on the topic.
Shoot, at almost 70 years old I was just concerned with running, crouching and going prone in old warfare scenarios. Now I have to look up too?? Lol.
How about small electro-magnetic pulse bombs, or even grenades fired by grenade launchers? I doubt that even the wire guided version could stand up to having their electronics fried. That would be countered with shielding, but that might not be easy; how do you cover the whole thing? I don't know much about electro-magnetic pulse weapons, but I believe they exist, and hopefully the possibility for anti-drone use is being studied already.
I saw an article the other day that claimed the Secret Service shot down a drone following Trump's motorcade last fall. It was said to be some kind of electronic Flash Gordon gizmo.
Thanks, I had not heard that.
JD Vance in Munich:
https://www.c-span.org/program/international-telecasts/vp-vance-delivers-remarks-at-munich-security-conference/655804
This was a sobering and informative read, thank you for publishing it!
I wonder how much of a role "Drone Aces" will play in full AI world. Palantir and a German company whose name escapes me began deploying autonomous drones that didn't require a sat connection after the Ukranians started jamming RF-based controls. No data uplink required.
At the rate the technology is proceeding I'm not sure how long these will be human operated anymore.
Civ Div is good. A marine who malingered into a discharge to associate with Antifa in Syria and Ukraine.
https://youtu.be/8taavXhanUw?si=2tzKfwAs6bW3Isa7
2017: “The Ukrainian SBU – the equivalent of the FBI – now believe that the destruction of a giant arms depot at Balakliya in eastern Ukraine in March was carried out by a small drone. The spectacular explosion and fire destroyed some seventy thousand tons of munitions with damage estimated at a billion dollars, though only one person was killed. This destruction is a graphic illustration of the threat posed by small drones, as many other high-value targets may be equally vulnerable.
Balakliya was said to be the largest ammunition dump in the world.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20170801064637/http://scout.com/military/warrior/Article/Small-Russian-Drones-Do-Massive-Damage-WIth-Grenade-Weapons-103103172