Israeli’s and others invading Iran with ‘boots on the ground?’ What a laugh.
I recall a conversation I had about 20 years ago with an Iranian student going to university here. Bright and engaging young guy.
He hated the Ayatollahs and the Shite system of governing Iran and was involved with one of the resistance groups trying to change it.
I told him that someday America would invade Iran. He stopped cold, stared at me and said… “Then I will be on the front lines fighting to the death for my country Iran!”
“Against Americans!” I asked him…
“Against anyone who invades my country! The change is our business to sort out, no one else’s!”
I don’t think the world has any idea of the resistance an invasion of Iran from Iranians will bring.
Termini…
Jack Lawson
Member, Sully H. deFontaine Special Forces Association Chapter 51, Las Vegas, Nevada
Author of the “Civil Defense Manual,” “The Slaver’s Wheel,” “A Failure of Civility,” “And We Hide From The Devil” and “In Defense.” Go to www.JackLawsonBooks.com and
As bad as a government may be, it can't be worse than the form of government the US imposes. All the old corruption with plenty of new, alongside gay pride parades and women drivers.
Land resupply would be difficult and a feast for irregulars and bushwhackers. Iran is mostly ringed with mountains and has deep sandy desert areas which would literally swallow armor. As for the straits, we saw British troops sink an Argentinian ship from the shore in the Falklands.. They raked the decks with 7.62 MG's, fired MANPADS etc. I don't know how wide this waterway is but at choke points, we all know a 12.7 within two miles could rain down effective fire from shore God forbid twin or quad 23mm's. Surely they have mining capability. FUBAR. Cluster... Take your pick. If the neocon asshats are itching for a firefight I'm sure Bibi can provide THEM with kit and transport to the war zone. Waiting patiently for pictures of Bill Kristol and Lindsay Graham humping their Galils over the mountains.
China will go to war if their oil is cut off. The US then will have to Supply Israel, Fight in Iran, and again in SE Asia. That Is Impossible to do with our manpower and diminihed manufacturing/ logistics.
btw, We have illegals residing within our borders ..... ChiCom PLA, Islamic Tourists, and Cartel members .... All Allied and attacking US Domestically...... =CW.
Game Over, USSA Empire Over. Grahmnesty and NeoCons flying out of the country to ???
We/Me/You living in Lawless Chaos, Cities abandoned to gangs. The Reckoning come home to roost.
Hubris and Hopium are deadly, especially when combined, comrades.
Gen. Good post. Deep cover cells of terrorists who have been here a long time surveiling and joined by newbies trained at camps in Afghanistan with our dollars and abandoned equipment. $85 million cash per week delivered via diplomatic couriers. The newly trained arrive here deep in the US interior on airlines /tour companies that service Hajj travelers. Genius. Estimated strength 3-5k. Doesn’t require a uniformed army. This is asymmetrical warfare. Hamza BinLadin, one of Osama’s sons is a freight train of terrorist energy. Moves faster than his father. Obama killed Osama in his home. Not at a training camp or in combat. At home. Hamza wants to hurt Americans right where they live work and play. Arm up. It’s coming to get ugly.
Lindsay, Cruz and the rest of the "we must attack Iran" tribe are crazy. They either are totally ignorant or uncaring about the possible repercussions on US getting involved in Israel's war with Iran. Iran, Russia and China are allies. Both Russian and China have acted in restraint towards Israel attacking Iran (whilst the neocons ignore the fact that Israel initiated the war). There are no wise people in District of Corruption who can see the likelihood of either China or Russia or both getting involved if the US does. Ted Cruz will never get my vote again after admitting his political priority isn't to his constituents nor to America, but to Israel.
As far as official history through conspiracy theories, Iran has never directly attacked the USA. There is a certain small country in the middle east who has attacked us, multiple times and over decades....
In 1962, the argument against invading Cuba was won when a map of Cuba was superimposed on a map of the US. It stretched from Miami to Chicago. As your maps show, Iran is much bigger.
That's not what happened! Communist drug addict JFK and his brother Bobby betrayed United States changing landing zone at the last minute! Bay of Pigs was NOT the original landing zone because it was Fidel Castro's old fishing grounds and he knew those areas like the back of his hands. Castro's military was waiting. A total ambush.
History repeats and never forgets. Re: Cuba v Iran. We didn't finish job in Cuba and look at results? "When you take Vienna, you take Vienna", ~Hon. M. G. Napoleon Bonaparte. George H.W. Bush failed this lesson when he invaded Iraq.
Aside from the logistical issues of power projection, Iran has a large population. Any ground assault would face wave after wave of forced civilian cannon fodder. Not to mention, save for mossad, the US seems to lack any real intelligence in Irans defense, perhaps pun intended. It’s no secret the mullahs are insane, and will do anything to maintain power, including sacrificing their population. Not a good situation any way you look.
BTW, for those continuing to say Iran has never attacked us are technically accurate. Just like we have “technically” not attacked Russia. Iran knows as much as we do how to run proxy wars.
I have a feeling the mullahs are toast. Will be interesting in real opposition emerges, like clear splits in the military or other aspects of the regime.
Hi Matt, I don't think you are looking at this correctly from the elite/Zionist perspective. Their goal here is likely not to *conquer* Iran, but to *destroy it to such an extent that it no longer poses a threat to the Greater Israel project*, much like Iraq, Syria, and Libya were destroyed. In other words, they do not want the threat of ballistic or nuclear missiles hanging over their head when they dramatically expand Israel territory and investment. Perhaps there will be boots on the ground, but to effectuate their objective here of destruction (regardless of whatever language they try to sell it to the retarded public), it seems like only the special forces + CIA (the latter used to rile up Iran's minority communities) may be enough for their purposes here. Remember, what our elites' actual objectives are are never the same as what they claim them to be publicly - for example, Afghanistan was a *massive success* for them, because the goal there was not military victory but to use Afghanistan to rape the American taxpayer and funnel it through Afghanistan back into the hands of the transnational security elite, as Julian Assange so eloquently stated here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IGU_7alJ80
The money power that rules the world lost their gamble to burglarize and rob Russia via the Ukraine, but if they do as suggested in the video, they will have the Caspian Sea, so they can keep trying to burglarize and rob Russia. Just guessing, but watch the video.
As regards geography, Iran and China recently completed a test run of a frieght train from China to a dry dock outside Tehran.
Iran has survived sanctions. They have in turn sanctioned Red Sea trade. Now, they will soon be able to ship oil out, and finished goods in, between Russia and China.
Matt - - if the only objective that the US wants taken out is the huge underground uranium processing plant in Fordo, why not use one of "The Rods Of God" as a certain way to erase the facility....?
Perhaps this is what The Trumpeter is planning.......
Requires no commitment of troops, no risk of shoot down. Takes out only that one target without destroying anything far outside its airealized debris and ground shock radius. Down side: It openly tells the world we have weaponized space even though we did not put nukes into orbit, which would be a clear violation of the Outer Space Treaty (The US ratified and put it into effect as a part of US law in October 1967. See: https://2009-2017.state.gov/t/isn/5181.htm ).
My contention is that The Rods Of God are a point of contact weapon, similar to the MOAB, and not a weapon of mass destruction which the Outer Space Treaty prohibits.
BTW, nothing I say here has been due to my exposure to highly classified info. I never had any such clearances, or even had known someone who possessed such clearances. Open source (
Really? You believe that the U.S. wouldn't violate a treaty like the Outer Space Treaty? The U.S. easily exits any treaty, any agreement, any negotiated settlement whenever it determines the U.S. doesn't like it or need it anymore. The government and clowns in Washington think they are above everything. They and only they are the true light and way! An ugly future lurks for America.
The Russian hypersonics can supposedly create an impact effect similar to a small nuke, just without radiation contamination. How do we consider a similar effect generating the same amount of destruction as anything but a weapon of mass destruction?
Rods from God need not be deployed from space. My understanding is you launch them from a plane diving from about 80-100,000 ft. I don't know if they are boosted or just dropped. That said, Israel has the F-15 which can make 80,000 feet and they certainly have the ability to obtain or make Titanium rods. Therefore I have to question whether the Rods concept would get the job done. They would have been dropping them right and left at the beginning.
John - - I read a few years ago that the RODS are telephone pole sized titanium with some type rocket motor. Very accurate and calculated to hit with force of a nuke, but will penetrate as ground shock wave moves both downward and out.
Rumor was that one was used number of years ago to destroy Nork deep underground nuke facility. That event was described a being destroyed due to a localized earthquake. Blip of news never focused upon and then poof….. gone…..
Don’t disagree with your proposition as to Israelis. We will shortly find out how Fordow is to be taken out.
Titanium is not what you want for this. Its density is too low. Think about this in terms of ballistic coefficient, where mass and density play an important role. There's a reason we make bullets of of the densest readily available materials.
What you really want here is tungsten or depleted uranium, both of which have a density approximately four times that of titanium, but using DU would probably upset some folks. Heck, even plain old steel, with a density approximately twice that of titanium would be better.
Nice to learn something every day. If our “thinkers” are smart enough to create a Rods Of God device and emplace it a few hundred miles up, my guess is that they knew to use tungsten or steel. Thanks for your educating an old guy !
I really doubt we have anything like this in orbit. It would require some really heavy-lift launch capabilities -- think Saturn V, SLS, or Starship. Launches like that can't be done on the sly.
Still dropping a precision-guided tungsten rod weighing, say 30,000 lbs from 50,000' would probably be a darn good penetrator. It wouldn't have energy approaching that of a nuclear weapon that you could potentially get by dropping it from orbit, but might still do the job.
It is very detailed and discusses how the Iranians could build to defeat such monster bombs.
Agree with your analysis that huge titanium or steel telephone poles would take very large lifting rockets to put into orbit. However, if halved or otherwise reduced in size, they might fit in the old Space Shuttle bay and still be emplaced in an existing satellite. Numerous trips might be required to fully load and make operationally viable such a weaponized satellite. But at that time, those Rods might have been seen to be sufficient to take out known bunkers, considering the techniques, materials, and skills available…..
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Israeli’s and others invading Iran with ‘boots on the ground?’ What a laugh.
I recall a conversation I had about 20 years ago with an Iranian student going to university here. Bright and engaging young guy.
He hated the Ayatollahs and the Shite system of governing Iran and was involved with one of the resistance groups trying to change it.
I told him that someday America would invade Iran. He stopped cold, stared at me and said… “Then I will be on the front lines fighting to the death for my country Iran!”
“Against Americans!” I asked him…
“Against anyone who invades my country! The change is our business to sort out, no one else’s!”
I don’t think the world has any idea of the resistance an invasion of Iran from Iranians will bring.
Termini…
Jack Lawson
Member, Sully H. deFontaine Special Forces Association Chapter 51, Las Vegas, Nevada
Author of the “Civil Defense Manual,” “The Slaver’s Wheel,” “A Failure of Civility,” “And We Hide From The Devil” and “In Defense.” Go to www.JackLawsonBooks.com and
JackLawsonBooks.Substack.com
“Coulda, woulda, shoulda… you’ll have to learn to make those action decisions in your next life… because you didn’t do it in this one.”
From Jack Lawson… an American in 1RLI Support Commando and attached to Rhodesian “C Squadron” SAS Africa 1976-79
As bad as a government may be, it can't be worse than the form of government the US imposes. All the old corruption with plenty of new, alongside gay pride parades and women drivers.
Yes it can. I invite you to go and find out for yourself.
Land resupply would be difficult and a feast for irregulars and bushwhackers. Iran is mostly ringed with mountains and has deep sandy desert areas which would literally swallow armor. As for the straits, we saw British troops sink an Argentinian ship from the shore in the Falklands.. They raked the decks with 7.62 MG's, fired MANPADS etc. I don't know how wide this waterway is but at choke points, we all know a 12.7 within two miles could rain down effective fire from shore God forbid twin or quad 23mm's. Surely they have mining capability. FUBAR. Cluster... Take your pick. If the neocon asshats are itching for a firefight I'm sure Bibi can provide THEM with kit and transport to the war zone. Waiting patiently for pictures of Bill Kristol and Lindsay Graham humping their Galils over the mountains.
The strait is about 90 nautical miles (167 km) long, with a width varying from about 52 nmi (96 km) to 21 nmi (39 km).
Strait of Hormuz geography: https://www.strausscenter.org/strait-of-hormuz-geography/
Thanks!
China will go to war if their oil is cut off. The US then will have to Supply Israel, Fight in Iran, and again in SE Asia. That Is Impossible to do with our manpower and diminihed manufacturing/ logistics.
btw, We have illegals residing within our borders ..... ChiCom PLA, Islamic Tourists, and Cartel members .... All Allied and attacking US Domestically...... =CW.
Game Over, USSA Empire Over. Grahmnesty and NeoCons flying out of the country to ???
We/Me/You living in Lawless Chaos, Cities abandoned to gangs. The Reckoning come home to roost.
Hubris and Hopium are deadly, especially when combined, comrades.
Gen. Good post. Deep cover cells of terrorists who have been here a long time surveiling and joined by newbies trained at camps in Afghanistan with our dollars and abandoned equipment. $85 million cash per week delivered via diplomatic couriers. The newly trained arrive here deep in the US interior on airlines /tour companies that service Hajj travelers. Genius. Estimated strength 3-5k. Doesn’t require a uniformed army. This is asymmetrical warfare. Hamza BinLadin, one of Osama’s sons is a freight train of terrorist energy. Moves faster than his father. Obama killed Osama in his home. Not at a training camp or in combat. At home. Hamza wants to hurt Americans right where they live work and play. Arm up. It’s coming to get ugly.
Lindsay, Cruz and the rest of the "we must attack Iran" tribe are crazy. They either are totally ignorant or uncaring about the possible repercussions on US getting involved in Israel's war with Iran. Iran, Russia and China are allies. Both Russian and China have acted in restraint towards Israel attacking Iran (whilst the neocons ignore the fact that Israel initiated the war). There are no wise people in District of Corruption who can see the likelihood of either China or Russia or both getting involved if the US does. Ted Cruz will never get my vote again after admitting his political priority isn't to his constituents nor to America, but to Israel.
As far as official history through conspiracy theories, Iran has never directly attacked the USA. There is a certain small country in the middle east who has attacked us, multiple times and over decades....
Also, Persia is one of the few countries in the world that has never been conquered.
Not our hemisphere, not our problem. Send the neocon Trotskyites to Israel where they belong...
Great visuals Matt thanks
In 1962, the argument against invading Cuba was won when a map of Cuba was superimposed on a map of the US. It stretched from Miami to Chicago. As your maps show, Iran is much bigger.
That's not what happened! Communist drug addict JFK and his brother Bobby betrayed United States changing landing zone at the last minute! Bay of Pigs was NOT the original landing zone because it was Fidel Castro's old fishing grounds and he knew those areas like the back of his hands. Castro's military was waiting. A total ambush.
That comment refers to The Bay of Pigs in 1961. My comment refers to the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962.
Richard,
History repeats and never forgets. Re: Cuba v Iran. We didn't finish job in Cuba and look at results? "When you take Vienna, you take Vienna", ~Hon. M. G. Napoleon Bonaparte. George H.W. Bush failed this lesson when he invaded Iraq.
I was generalizing because they made those same statements in 61 which falsely covered up treason by Kennedy administration.
It will be 2 weeks to defeat Iran turn into 2 decades
"Even if the skies were shorter than my knees, I would not kneel." ~ Cyrus the Great
Aside from the logistical issues of power projection, Iran has a large population. Any ground assault would face wave after wave of forced civilian cannon fodder. Not to mention, save for mossad, the US seems to lack any real intelligence in Irans defense, perhaps pun intended. It’s no secret the mullahs are insane, and will do anything to maintain power, including sacrificing their population. Not a good situation any way you look.
BTW, for those continuing to say Iran has never attacked us are technically accurate. Just like we have “technically” not attacked Russia. Iran knows as much as we do how to run proxy wars.
Most of Iran hates the Mullahs. They are protesting them now.
I have a feeling the mullahs are toast. Will be interesting in real opposition emerges, like clear splits in the military or other aspects of the regime.
Good analysis, Matt. Linking it today @https://nothingnewunderthesun2016.com/
Hi Matt, I don't think you are looking at this correctly from the elite/Zionist perspective. Their goal here is likely not to *conquer* Iran, but to *destroy it to such an extent that it no longer poses a threat to the Greater Israel project*, much like Iraq, Syria, and Libya were destroyed. In other words, they do not want the threat of ballistic or nuclear missiles hanging over their head when they dramatically expand Israel territory and investment. Perhaps there will be boots on the ground, but to effectuate their objective here of destruction (regardless of whatever language they try to sell it to the retarded public), it seems like only the special forces + CIA (the latter used to rile up Iran's minority communities) may be enough for their purposes here. Remember, what our elites' actual objectives are are never the same as what they claim them to be publicly - for example, Afghanistan was a *massive success* for them, because the goal there was not military victory but to use Afghanistan to rape the American taxpayer and funnel it through Afghanistan back into the hands of the transnational security elite, as Julian Assange so eloquently stated here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IGU_7alJ80
Oh, I do agree with you. They'd like to see Iran wrecked, and embroiled in civil war forever, like Syria and Libya.
This is eye-opening (18 mins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vxNVLC8EE8
The money power that rules the world lost their gamble to burglarize and rob Russia via the Ukraine, but if they do as suggested in the video, they will have the Caspian Sea, so they can keep trying to burglarize and rob Russia. Just guessing, but watch the video.
Sobering.
As regards geography, Iran and China recently completed a test run of a frieght train from China to a dry dock outside Tehran.
Iran has survived sanctions. They have in turn sanctioned Red Sea trade. Now, they will soon be able to ship oil out, and finished goods in, between Russia and China.
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/first-freight-train-from-china-wheels-into-iran/
Matt - - if the only objective that the US wants taken out is the huge underground uranium processing plant in Fordo, why not use one of "The Rods Of God" as a certain way to erase the facility....?
Perhaps this is what The Trumpeter is planning.......
Requires no commitment of troops, no risk of shoot down. Takes out only that one target without destroying anything far outside its airealized debris and ground shock radius. Down side: It openly tells the world we have weaponized space even though we did not put nukes into orbit, which would be a clear violation of the Outer Space Treaty (The US ratified and put it into effect as a part of US law in October 1967. See: https://2009-2017.state.gov/t/isn/5181.htm ).
My contention is that The Rods Of God are a point of contact weapon, similar to the MOAB, and not a weapon of mass destruction which the Outer Space Treaty prohibits.
BTW, nothing I say here has been due to my exposure to highly classified info. I never had any such clearances, or even had known someone who possessed such clearances. Open source (
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/kinetic-bombardment-kep-weaponry/), logic, and supposition form the basis of my comments.
Really? You believe that the U.S. wouldn't violate a treaty like the Outer Space Treaty? The U.S. easily exits any treaty, any agreement, any negotiated settlement whenever it determines the U.S. doesn't like it or need it anymore. The government and clowns in Washington think they are above everything. They and only they are the true light and way! An ugly future lurks for America.
The Russian hypersonics can supposedly create an impact effect similar to a small nuke, just without radiation contamination. How do we consider a similar effect generating the same amount of destruction as anything but a weapon of mass destruction?
Rods from God need not be deployed from space. My understanding is you launch them from a plane diving from about 80-100,000 ft. I don't know if they are boosted or just dropped. That said, Israel has the F-15 which can make 80,000 feet and they certainly have the ability to obtain or make Titanium rods. Therefore I have to question whether the Rods concept would get the job done. They would have been dropping them right and left at the beginning.
John - - I read a few years ago that the RODS are telephone pole sized titanium with some type rocket motor. Very accurate and calculated to hit with force of a nuke, but will penetrate as ground shock wave moves both downward and out.
Rumor was that one was used number of years ago to destroy Nork deep underground nuke facility. That event was described a being destroyed due to a localized earthquake. Blip of news never focused upon and then poof….. gone…..
Don’t disagree with your proposition as to Israelis. We will shortly find out how Fordow is to be taken out.
Titanium is not what you want for this. Its density is too low. Think about this in terms of ballistic coefficient, where mass and density play an important role. There's a reason we make bullets of of the densest readily available materials.
What you really want here is tungsten or depleted uranium, both of which have a density approximately four times that of titanium, but using DU would probably upset some folks. Heck, even plain old steel, with a density approximately twice that of titanium would be better.
Nice to learn something every day. If our “thinkers” are smart enough to create a Rods Of God device and emplace it a few hundred miles up, my guess is that they knew to use tungsten or steel. Thanks for your educating an old guy !
I really doubt we have anything like this in orbit. It would require some really heavy-lift launch capabilities -- think Saturn V, SLS, or Starship. Launches like that can't be done on the sly.
Still dropping a precision-guided tungsten rod weighing, say 30,000 lbs from 50,000' would probably be a darn good penetrator. It wouldn't have energy approaching that of a nuclear weapon that you could potentially get by dropping it from orbit, but might still do the job.
See this article about non-Soace based Bunker buster bombs: https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/israel-vs-iran-gbu-57ab-mop-bunker?publication_id=1105422&utm_campaign=email-post-title&r=2rqnz&utm_medium=email
It is very detailed and discusses how the Iranians could build to defeat such monster bombs.
Agree with your analysis that huge titanium or steel telephone poles would take very large lifting rockets to put into orbit. However, if halved or otherwise reduced in size, they might fit in the old Space Shuttle bay and still be emplaced in an existing satellite. Numerous trips might be required to fully load and make operationally viable such a weaponized satellite. But at that time, those Rods might have been seen to be sufficient to take out known bunkers, considering the techniques, materials, and skills available…..